It’s teatime in London, and Olivia Wilde is talking about the O-word. Her approach to sex scenes in her movie, no, not the Oscars. “Don’t Worry Darling.” “Men don’t come in this film,” she declares over cucumber sandwiches and scones at Claridge’s, just blocks away from Buckingham Palace. “Only women here!”
In Wilde’s second directorial outing after 2019’s indie high school coming-of-age story “Booksmart,”Florence Pugh stars alongside Harry Styles as a married couple in Victory, a quirky, experimental utopia. Pugh plays Alice. “Mad Men”-type housewife who discovers disturbing truths under her seemingly perfect world. When the trailer for the sci-fi thriller dropped in May, social media was buzzing about Styles’ character, Jack, going down on Alice on top of a dining room table.
“Female pleasure, the best versions of it that you see nowadays, are in queer films,” Wilde says. “Why are we more comfortable with female pleasure when it’s two women on film? In hetero sex scenes in film, the focus on men as the recipients of pleasure is almost ubiquitous.”
Wilde, 38 years old, sees the world from a post-feminist perspective. The women in her films drive action all on their own without the aid of men.
“It’s all about immediacy and extreme passion for one another,” Wilde says of the film’s complicated central relationship. “The impractical nature of their sex speaks to their ferocious desire for one another. I think it’s integral to the story itself and how the audience is meant to connect to them. My early conversations with the cast were all about how the audience has to buy into the fantasy.”
Wilde, whose acting credits range from medical drama to comedy. “House” to Ron Howard’s “Rush” and Clint Eastwood’s “Richard Jewell,”A black T-shirt, baggy Jeans and scuffed up Converse low tops are what she is wearing. On this July afternoon, she has come to Claridge’s directly from a pottery class, with dried clay on her arms when she arrives. “People were looking at me in the bathroom like I probably shouldn’t be here,”Wilde is seated at the tearoom’s back corner table, where she goes unnoticed among the sea of pastel-adorned guests dressed in pearls and pumps. Without makeup, except a smudge of leftover eyeliner, Wilde looks more like a film student than one of Hollywood’s up-and-coming directors. Showing up alone with no security, she doesn’t seem like someone who’s constantly dodging paparazzi on the cobblestone streets of London — where she lives with her two children, Otis, 8, and Daisy, 5 — being one of the most talked-about celebrities of the moment.
“It’s harder for women to get a second chance at directing,”Wilde acknowledges that “Booksmart”It was a critical success, but not a box office hit. The film made $25 million with a $6 million budget. “Fewer people will invest in the second film of a woman than a man,”She says. “I was so lucky. My movie didn’t make a billion dollars. It struck enough of a nerve of the cultural zeitgeist that I was allowed to have another opportunity. I really feel, at this point, that I have earned the right to say I’m a director.”
The stakes are indeed very high. “Don’t Worry Darling,”The film will debut at the Venice Film Festival in September. If the film, which had a budget of about $20 million, succeeds at the box office when it opens on Sept. 23, it will elevate Wilde to a short list of top-tier women directors — and an even shorter list of female actors-turned-directors (Elizabeth Banks, Jodie Foster, Greta Gerwig, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Rebecca Hall, Angelina Jolie, Regina King, Barbra Streisand and … that’s about it). Warner Bros. could use a hit outside of comic-book movies to help it survive the post-Discovery merger.
For better or worse, “Don’t Worry Darling”It has been the subject of many headlines. It’s the project where Wilde met Styles, now her boyfriend. It’s also linked to an incident in April at CinemaCon where Wilde was served custody papers from her former fiancé, “Ted Lasso”Actor Jason Sudeikis was seen on the Las Vegas stage promoting the movie to exhibitors.
Sudeikis claimed in a statement that he was ill at the time. “no prior knowledge”The ambush and “would never condone her being served in such an inappropriate manner.” Since then, a judge has granted Wilde’s request to dismiss Sudeikis’ petition, which asked for Otis and Daisy to eventually reside with him in New York.
“It was my workplace,”Wilde refers to CinemaCon incident, but doesn’t name Sudeikis with whom she was in a relationship between 2011 and 2020. “In any other workplace, it would be seen as an attack. It was really upsetting. It shouldn’t have been able to happen. There was a huge breach in security, which is really scary. The hurdles that you had to jump through to get into that room with several badges, plus special COVID tests that had to be taken days in advance, which gave you wristbands that were necessary to gain access to the event — this was something that required forethought.”
CinemaCon was to mark Wilde’s professional milestone. She was about to show footage from her movie. She didn’t miss a beat when she was interrupted by the mysterious envelope — she just carried on with her presentation. “I hated that this nastiness distracted from the work of so many different people and the studio that I was up there representing,”She says. “To try to sabotage that was really vicious. But I had a job to do; I’m not easily distracted.”She continues, “But, you know, sadly, it was not something that was entirely surprising to me. I mean, there’s a reason I left that relationship.”
Wilde takes a moment to think, trying to find the right words. For the record, Wilde states that she splits custody. The kids go back-and-forth between her and Sudeikis from week to week. (Wilde first moved to London a few years ago with her family because that’s where Sudeikis films “Ted Lasso,” and now splits her time between the U.K. and L.A.) When Wilde is with her children, she’s entirely with her children, she says. She makes breakfast every day, never misses bedtime, and takes her children to school. “They are my world,”She says. “They are my best friends.”
Wilde: Back to CinemaCon “The only people who suffered were my kids, because they’ll have to see that, and they shouldn’t ever have to know that happened. For me, it was appalling, but the victims were an 8- and 5-year-old, and that’s really sad. I chose to become an actress; I willingly walked into the spotlight. But it’s not something my children have asked for. And when my kids are dragged into it, it’s deeply painful.”
After “Booksmart,” Wilde She was offered another comedy to direct. She had other ideas. She had actually been ruminating about an idea for a while. “Booksmart” came along — actually, when Donald Trump came into office. “What are we going to do?”She recalls thinking.
“I was looking for a way to tell a story about what happens when someone is willing to sacrifice a system that serves them in order to do the right thing,”Wilde says this while eating an Egg Salad Sandwich. (“This country loves mayonnaise, doesn’t it?”She says she finishes half of the platter. “I was also thinking a lot about my place in society as someone who could rage against the patriarchy but in many ways totally benefits from it.”
Wilde chose to trust her gut and turned down a number of comedic scripts. “Science fiction has a long history in film of allowing for political issues to be spoken out through entertaining narratives,”She says. “I don’t enjoy or feel inspired by stories that oversimplify feminism. It’s so much more complicated.” At the same time, Wilde didn’t want her next film to feel in any way “preachy.”
The idea for her project was found in a specscript by Shane Van Dyke and Carey Van Dyke, which made the 2019 Black List. The story became “Don’t Worry Darling,”The film was set in a idyllic, yet sinister 1950s village.
“It felt like adapting a great piece of IP,” Wilde says. “It allowed for a really inspiring jumping-off point.”Katie Silberman, Katie’s partner from the USA, was her choice. “Booksmart,”to rewrite the screenplay. In the prep phase, the duo came back to Betty’s Friedan’s 1963 classic “The Feminine Mystique”More than one time.
They also went down the rabbithole of what Wilde calls “The” “disenfranchised world of white men on the internet,”Search 4chan, examine YouTube algorithms, research groupthink perpetuated via social media, and incel leaders. “I have a sick fascination with cults,” Wilde says.
The project was first revealed in 2019 by one outlet. It was described as a psychological thriller. “for the Time’s Up era.”The film caused a heated bidding war with 18 studios competing for the pitch. New Line Cinema was ultimately the winner of the auction. Wilde revealed that she chose Warner Bros.’ studio because it promised her a theatrical release.
“I suddenly had the opportunity to make the decision of what would be the best home for us,” Wilde says. “I wanted to work with the place that would not only allow me to make the film the scale that it deserved, but to cast the people I wanted and release it in the way I wanted — and I wanted theatrical. Warner Bros. was the only place that promised me theatrical in writing. I took less money there than other places because [Warner] had said it belonged in theaters.”
Richard Brener, New Line’s president, speaks out about the negotiations to acquire the script. Variety, “We had to have it.” As for Wilde’s insistence on a theatrical release, he says, “If somebody makes us make it theatrical, we’re not going to fight them.”
In one of the film’s trailers, Alice attempts to suffocate herself by wrapping her head in Saran Wrap. In another scene, she’s violently squashed by an expansive window that closes in on her as she cleans the house while her husband is at work.
Wilde claims she wanted to create paradise. But Wilde clarifies: “Paradise as defined by the largely monogamous, misogynistic media and world that we’ve grown up with.” She shares that she’s drawn to 1950s and ’60s fashion, movies such as “Ocean’s Eleven,”Frank Sinatra, Slim Aarons, and other high-society photographers. “My version of paradise is very nostalgic and actually comes from a world that doesn’t serve me as a woman at all,”She says. “We can talk about our complicity. Or someone who’s willing to burn the whole motherfucker down.”
After “Don’t Worry Darling”Sold Warner Bros. had Wilde cast as Alice. Although she believes her star status helped the film sell, Wilde felt that there was a better choice. She liked the idea that Alice and Jack were a younger couple. “There was something about the youthfulness, the innocence, that really made sense for the story. If I was Alice, I was like, ‘Well, I’m going to be with a Jack who’s my age or older, and now we’re in a different age bracket.’”
Wilde had seen Pugh’s 2019 horror darling in 2019. “Midsommar.” “I had been blown the fuck away by her,” Wilde says. “I loved the film, but I loved her. I was just like, ‘Well, she’s extraordinary. She’s clearly the most exciting young actress working today.’”
Pugh — who declined to be interviewed for this story (her publicist said she’s filming “Dune: Part Two” in Budapest) — was initially in talks for the role of Bunny, the supporting character that Wilde ended up playing. But after a lunch together, Wilde walked away knowing she’d found her Alice. At that point, Pugh’s Oscar-nominated turn in “Little Women” hadn’t yet been released, “but we knew she was a superstar,” Wilde says.
Reports on Hollywood productions have been a staple in gossip columns for years. Rumors can now take on a whole new life in the age of social media. For “Don’t Worry Darling,” internet sleuths have dissected each and every detail since the very first announcement of the film’s existence. After Wilde posted on Instagram an adoring behind-the-scenes photo of Pugh at work, TikTokers noticed that Pugh didn’t share anything about the film in return. The internet theorizing has run rampant, and Page Six ran an anonymously sourced story claiming that Pugh was unhappy about Wilde and Styles’ relationship. Then came the report that Styles was receiving three times as much as Pugh.
Wilde denied that and said in an email later that he did. “There has been a lot out there that I largely don’t pay attention to. But the absurdity of invented clickbait and subsequent reaction regarding a nonexistent pay disparity between our lead and supporting actors really upset me. I’m a woman who has been in this business for over 20 years, and it’s something that I have fought for myself and others, especially being a director. There is absolutely no validity to those claims.”
Pugh and Wilde did not comment on the tabloid-driven feud. However, Wilde is enthusiastic about working alongside Pugh during our conversation.
“We were all brought so close by the bubble of the production,”Wilde said that Styles and Pugh are acting partners. “She was really a great supporter of his as someone who was newer to a film set. And he was such a great supporter of hers, as someone who understood it was her film.”
Wilde was able to secure her key actor and teamed up with Pugh in order to find her Jack. Wilde liked Styles’ work in “Dunkirk,”Producers had told them that the musician was “an absolute dream, and went above and beyond in terms of being prepared.” Pugh was also enthusiastic about the idea of Styles joining the film, Wilde says — but he was touring and unavailable. The part was eventually landed by Shia LaBeouf.
Wilde fired LaBeouf in 2020 as production was just beginning. The studio cited a scheduling conflict. Wilde now speaks out about the situation for the first time. “I say this as someone who is such an admirer of his work. His process was not conducive to the ethos that I demand in my productions. He has a process that, in some ways, seems to require a combative energy, and I don’t personally believe that is conducive to the best performances. I believe that creating a safe, trusting environment is the best way to get people to do their best work. Ultimately, my responsibility is to the production and to the cast to protect them. That was my job.”
A few months after LaBeouf’s exit from “Don’t Worry Darling,”His ex-girlfriend was “Honey Boy”FKA Twigs sued him for sexual battery. (The lawsuit goes to trial April. LaBeouf left CAA the following month and entered an inpatient unit.
“A lot came to light after this happened that really troubled me, in terms of his behavior,” Wilde says. “I find myself just really wishing him health and evolution because I believe in restorative justice. But for our film, what we really needed was an energy that was incredibly supportive. Particularly with a movie like this, I knew that I was going to be asking Florence to be in very vulnerable situations, and my priority was making her feel safe and making her feel supported.”
When the global pandemic was declared. hit, Styles’ tour was canceled, and his schedule was suddenly free. “We found the perfect Jack, and luckily, it’s kind of magical that it ended up being our first choice,” Wilde says.
“I think the story as a whole attracted me to the role of Jack,”Styles sent an email from Toronto confirming that Toronto was one of his stops on the 84-date Love On Tour. “It felt like an opportunity to play someone who is incredibly complex, caught between love and obsession. There were always two sides of the character to play with. It’s fun to play someone that you feel like you’re trying to work out the whole time.”
“Don’t Worry Darling” could transform Styles’ acting career. (It’s one of two movies he has out this fall — the other is the prestige drama “My Policeman,”Amazon Studios will release the following content on Oct. 21.) “Harry obviously is a revelation,” Brener says. The executive celebrates his performance by adding, “I think there will very quickly be a conversation about why is he even bothering with music when he is such a huge movie star?”
Styles shares the best piece Wilde’s advice to him about the project: “The first step is to lose the Oscar you won in the shower that morning. Listen, and do the scene with your partner, not at them. Be a human, tell the truth.”
He says he was inspired by Wilde’s passion for her work. “As a director, Olivia is incredibly focused. She communicated what she was looking for from the cast with both clarity and respect,” Styles says. “I think transitioning from acting into directing has made her a director who knows how to get the best out of everyone.”
Wilde and Styles have not publicly commented on whether they’re a couple — although paparazzi photos have made it clear they are. “I’m not going to say anything about it because I’ve never seen a relationship benefit from being dragged into the public arena,” Wilde says. “We both go out of our way to protect our relationship; I think it’s out of experience, but also just out of deep love.”
Wilde is less worried about the tabloids’ toxicity. She understands the importance of her chosen career. But she can’t wrap her head around the extra vitriol directed at women. “The whole culture of celebrity gossip is interesting as a distracting tool to numb people from the greater pains of the world,”She says. “Escapism is really a very human quality, searching for something to anesthetize the painful reality of so many people’s lives. I don’t blame people for seeking escapism, but I think the tabloid media is a tool to pit women against one another and to shame them.”
Wilde then goes on a 14-minute tangent about how we’re all complicit in a culture that propagates a narrative that women are to be compared with one another, thus holding them back from their full potential and happiness. The post-Depression ideal of a family unit that is led by the father, which is a deeply embedded system designed to control women, is what causes the cycle of not believing women. “Listen, I’m not asking for any sort of pity. My life is extraordinary. I’m thrilled with my life,”She says. “But I do wish, for the betterment of society in general, that we would all disengage from a cycle of bullying and hatred. We’ve just lost empathy, and we just don’t give people the benefit of the doubt — specifically women. We just assume the worst from women, and I don’t know why.”
Wilde feels violated since her split with Sudeikis. “The last two years, my family has gone through this kind of restructuring and a revolution that should be a totally personal experience,” Wilde says. “And it’s not. The most painful element of it has been women shaming me for making a decision that was for my own health and happiness.”
There is a double standard: When she and Styles are photographed together, she’s judged for dating a younger man; just as often, she’s labeled an absentee mother. “When people see me not with my kids, it’s always ‘How dare she,’” Wilde says. “I’ve never seen anyone say that about a guy. And if he is with his kid, he’s a fucking hero.”
This summer, Wilde was supposed to be directing another movie— “Perfect,”A 1990s-set biopic on Olympic gold medalist Kerri Sttrug (to be portrayed by Thomasin McKenzie). As the producers reworked the script to reflect all that’s transpired with the USA Gymnastics sex-abuse scandal, Wilde decided that she also needed a break. “It became clear to me that this year was a time for me to be a stay-at-home mom,”She says. “It was not the year for me to be on a set, which is totally all-encompassing. It was time for me to pause and devote myself to the kids when I have them.”
“Could you imagine the production design of a $100 million Nancy Meyers movie?”Wilde takes in another cup. “Imagine the kitchen!”
Wilde speaks out about the astonishingly low number women who have directed films with a $100 million budget. This is another short list: Chloé Zhao (“Eternals”), Patty Jenkins (“Wonder Woman”), Niki Caro (“Mulan”Ava DuVernay, a first woman of color to be awarded a budget of $100 million “A Wrinkle in Time”Gerwig and a copy of her forthcoming “Barbie.”Notably, all these films were made in the past five year. Kathryn Bigelow, “K-19: The Widowmaker”After the film’s failure in 2002, which cost just under $100 million to budget, she was forced to stop her career. She would go on becoming the first woman director Oscar winner in 2010. Meyers, whose films have grossed $1.4 billion worldwide, hasn’t been invited to the $100 million club.
“I do feel very passionately that if more female filmmakers are trusted with bigger budgets, we will see box office successes that will then inspire more female-directed films to get greenlit,” Wilde says. Before helming “Booksmart,”Wilde made her own path behind camera on music videos and short films, including for Edward Sharpe, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Magnetic Zeros.
“I remember her specifically saying when she was hiring crew, ‘You have to look beyond their résumé,” says Beanie Feldstein, who starred in “Booksmart.” “Because people are not given opportunities at the same rate, and therefore their résumés are not reflective of that,’”
On “Don’t Worry Darling,”Wilde asked the cast for their creative input. “Any great actor is also a screenwriter in the process,”She says. “They are responsible for creating the life of the character, so they bring so many ideas.”Alice can be heard singing a mysterious tune throughout the film. Wilde reveals Styles offered the melody to Wilde, which was in the script described as “the trigger song.”
“In prep,” Wilde says, “Harry called me and said, ‘What’s the trigger song? Like, what’s the melody?’ I said, ‘I don’t know. I’m going to different writers to write it. Do you have anything in mind?’ And he said, ‘I’ll think about it.’”She pauses. “Five minutes later, he sent me a demo from his piano, and it was what ended up in the film. He called me and said, ‘What about this?’ And I was like, ‘Yeah, that’s it. That’s it. And that’s really insane that you did that in five minutes.’”
“I wanted something that could be both sweet and creepy, entirely dependent on the context,” Styles says. “I remember first playing it on the piano, and it had a sort of homemade nursery rhyme feel to it. Applied to the different moments in the film, I think it takes on a couple of different lives — I hope.” Styles doesn’t sing in the movie, but he dances. “’Twas I, tap-dancing,”He says. “I feel like I’ve been waiting for someone to require a 35-second tap routine from me my whole life.”
Coming up, Wilde has just one on-camera role on her slate — in Damien Chazelle’s “Babylon,” starring Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie, which she describes as a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it cameo. She says she’s fully focused on directing right now, but is absolutely open to acting. “For the right director who I could really learn from, I’d be so psyched.”
In addition to the camera, “Perfect,” she has several projects in the works, including a documentary, two films that she’s just started to develop and a top-secret Marvel project that she refuses to comment on. “That, I can’t say a word about. Yeah, no — I can’t say anything about it,”She says, “Squirming.” “I have to bury myself in the couch now.”She laughs.
“I will say that I think the Marvel approach of allowing newer filmmakers to come into the fold and have access to those tools of the Marvel universe is incredibly exciting. I am a big fan of what they’re doing over there,”She offers “but, yeah, I can’t confirm whether that is what that is.”
She smiles and blurts out, with a sly grin. “But that would be cool.”